AGI Researcher Ben Goertzel Courted Epstein for Funding, Emails Show

In January 2013, Jeffrey Epstein sent a blunt email to the computer scientist Ben Goertzel. Epstein had funded Goertzel’s research in artificial intelligence and was frustrated with a lack of progress. However, on this day, the disgraced financier wasn’t writing to discuss algorithms or neural networks — he wanted to discuss Goertzel’s hair.

“I think it is now time for you to drop the hippie look,” Epstein wrote, warning Goertzel that his “disheveled 80s appearance” was an “unnecessary hindrance” to securing the capital that might one day help the two men achieve AGI — artificial general intelligence, a hypothetical level of computer intelligence that could surpass that of humans. Epstein compared the scientist’s ponytail to “spinach in the teeth of a friend.”

“I would be willing to cut my hair for a lot of AGI money,” Goertzel replied.

The exchange was among dozens between Epstein and Goertzel in files released by the Department of Justice, chronicling Epstein’s fascination with the potential of AI. Goertzel, a researcher who helped popularize the term AGI and develop the humanoid robot Sophia, courted Epstein for money over several years, promising he could build the “Sputnik of AI,” the emails show.

In an online résumé that has since been removed, Goertzel said Epstein gave him a $100,000 research grant in 2001. Emails reviewed by Business Insider show Epstein agreed to give Goertzel at least another $100,000 between 2008 and 2018, spread out across multiple transfers. It could not be learned how much of the money Goertzel ultimately received.

The emails show Goertzel was aware of Epstein’s criminal charges. In a 2010 email, Goertzel congratulated Epstein on his release from the Palm Beach County Jail. In 2008, Epstein had pleaded guilty to two sex charges, including solicitation of a minor. In 2015, several days after Prince Andrew was named in a lawsuit over underage sex claims related to Epstein, Goertzel wrote about “utterly idiotic negative publicity in the news” and said he was sorry Epstein’s camp had to deal with it.

“Maybe some variation of what is alleged did happen, but if so it was surely an occurrence among reasonably mature people who mutually consented at the time, so why is it anybody else’s business?” Goertzel wrote, before asking for $25,000 for a “corporate contribution” to one of his companies.

In a statement to Business Insider, Goertzel said he “made a mistake” in accepting Epstein’s money. He said he regretted not doing due diligence on Epstein’s crimes and that he had “basically zero knowledge of Epstein’s sexual peculiarities and exploitative practices.”

He added: “I deeply regret being social-engineered by this terrible human being and not doing more research into him decades ago. I won’t make this sort of mistake again.”

‘The Sputnik of AI’

Goertzel is currently the CEO of SingularityNET, an AI and blockchain company. He is also chair of The AGI Society, a nonprofit that holds an annual AI conference.

His correspondence with Epstein was among millions of documents released by the Justice Department. The files have reverberated through the business world, revealing emails between Epstein and Tesla CEO Elon Musk, Virgin founder Richard Branson, LinkedIn founder Reid Hoffman, among others. The fallout for some people named in the files has been swift. Goldman Sachs’ top lawyer, Kathryn Ruemmler, resigned in mid-February, and Brad Karp resigned as chairman of the law firm Paul Weiss, among others.

Appearing in the files does not necessarily suggest that a person has engaged in wrongdoing.

In one of the emails released by the Justice Department, Goertzel said he had known Epstein since 2001. Epstein took an interest in what labs like MIT and Google were doing in the AI field. Goertzel, who some consider one of the “godfathers of AGI,” coauthored a 2006 book on the topic, and in 2008, he created OpenCog, an open-source project to try to architect human intelligence. Goertzel told Business Insider that he met Epstein through “mutual friends” in New York City.

Epstein appeared concerned in some emails by the lack of support for Goertzel’s AGI theories among mainstream experts. “i believe in you. i can’t figure out why i am in the minority,” he told Goertzel in 2010. In a 2011 email, Goertzel asked if Epstein would fund half of a $3 million grant over four years to fund a “full speed ahead toward AGI” plan, which included building AI that could control a video game character and a humanoid robot.

“Of course, US$3M is a lot of money. However, this would be the ‘Sputnik of AGI’ — it would set the development of AGI on a whole new course,” Goertzel wrote.

In his statement to Business Insider, Goertzel said, “I had basically zero knowledge of Epstein’s sexual peculiarities and exploitative practices and have no orientation toward that sort of thing and little understanding of it — it was all about being overly desperate at that stage for any source of $$ to fund innovative frontier science, which Epstein did recognize as valuable but mainstream science at the time did not.”

Epstein sometimes pushed Goertzel for more tangible proof of breakthroughs and tried to influence some research directions, the emails show. In February 2013, he emailed Goertzel and suggested that having an AI system pass “iq tests for children” would provide a concrete research milestone. Goertzel agreed to pursue the idea.

“Epstein was very smart and fairly technically savvy and had a lot of ideas about AI, which were not terribly stupid nor terribly brilliant,” Goertzel told Business Insider. “I did not pay much attention to them nor did they influence my work in any way.”

Epstein used corporate and foundation vehicles to send money to Goertzel, including his Southern Trust Company, registered in the US Virgin Islands, the emails show.

“As before, we can do this as a tax-deductible donation to a nonprofit, assuming that’s still your preference,” Goertzel said in a September 2010 email to Epstein.

Depending on the circumstances, Goertzel, who spent some of his time in Hong Kong, requested that the money be sent to different nonprofits’ accounts, the emails show. In 2014, Goertzel requested that Epstein send the money to Humanity+, a nonprofit focused on transhumanism that he was vice president of. Goertzel said it would act as a fiscal “pass-through” so the money could be diverted to himself and other researchers.

“Yes all this was totally legit, the funding was going to open-source AGI R&D for the good of humanity and its future, which was very much within the mandate of Humanity+ as a 501-3c nonprofit,” Goertzel told Business Insider.

‘Moronic media shitstorm’

Goertzel told Business Insider he “reconnected” with Epstein in 2008 after several years of no contact, and that Epstein told him about his legal situation.

“He framed it as a politically motivated prosecution for involvement with a consenting adult. I believed him. I should not have,” Goertzel told Business Insider.

Several emails show Goertzel and Epstein arranging to meet in person. Goertzel told Business Insider they met on several occasions at Epstein’s New York and Florida offices. “I never hung out with him in a social setting, never went to the island or flew in the jet or saw him partying with girlfriends or anything like that,” he said.

In 2015, Goertzel was following up on a payment he hoped to receive from Epstein. Richard Kahn, Epstein’s accountant, responded that it had to be put on hold due to “bad press.” The Guardian had reported days earlier that Prince Andrew was named in a US lawsuit involving Epstein.

“I don’t want to push you guys at a difficult time, but given my own situation I do feel moved to ask if Jeffrey might still be able to help with $25K for my ‘corporate contribution’ to the OpenCog Hong Kong project,” Goertzel wrote. “He has helped in this way every year since 2010, usually via a donation to Humanity+.”

The South China Morning Post reported earlier on some of the payments Epstein made to Goertzel to help him secure Hong Kong grants.

Epstein responded, “yes 25,” and Goertzel thanked him and said he hoped to resume conversations “once this current moronic media shitstorm blows over.”

Emails between the men continued for several years. In December 2018, a few days after the Miami Herald published an investigation into Epstein that contributed to his arrest on federal sex-trafficking charges the next year, Goertzel sent an email inviting Epstein to an AI and blockchain event in New York. Alternatively, he said, they could find another time to meet in the city.

“let me know if you’re in town and might spare a few moments,” Goertzel wrote. “it’s been a while!”

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