00:00 Speaker A
it is important that we we make sure that our national champions stay as national champions. and I would sayc and Open AI and Google um and potentially others are companies that the US government should be pushing policies to support. The Chinese models pose real risks. They pose real risks not just to US um, you know, market competitiveness, but also to US strategic interests. Uh it is not in our interest to have Chinese models be writing the code of, you know, you know, programs or companies inside the United States. They easily could be programmed to have back doors.
00:41 Speaker B
There was an interesting piece by uh the New York Times columnist Ross Dothat over the weekend where he talked about he made the analogy of AI to nuclear. And he said, you know, you have nuclear weapons and you have nuclear energy. And you can sort of treat AI as something to be weaponized or treat it as something that everybody should have access to this tech and you should share it and it should be, you know, viewed as something that could potentially be good for the world. And he says China is treating it as the latter and the US is treating it as the former.
01:21 Speaker A
The Chinese certainly do see AI as a weapon. Uh, they understand that and they’re trying to spread it to the world. And frankly, I think that the United States does too. I think the interesting analogy here is sort of the the atoms for peace model in in the the nuclear age, right? That we were promoting nuclear energy and promoting the benefits of nuclear power and trying to make sure that people were using US technology around the world for good in order to emphasize in order to just um support objectives that were, you know, non-military but supporting um US national interests. But at the same time, we had a very robust nuclear weapons program that was trying to maintain US leadership and was doing nothing to help the Soviet nuclear weapons program that was trying to overtake ours. That in some ways is exactly the model that we should be promoting here. Uh, I think we’re not doing that though. We’re we’re simultaneously I I would agree with Ross Dalla to some degree that we are kind of impeding the spread of our technology by, um, some of the internal fighting that’s going on here. I think some of this is legitimately figuring out what is safe and what is not, which is a hard challenge, but we need to figure that out expeditiously. But we also need to stop supporting the, you know, our our competitors uh, you know, AI programs or in the previous analogy of the nuclear weapons programs, like the degree to which the Chinese are reliant on US technology and are utilizing US technology is vast. and you’re seeing this in Kimi that is distilled on US technology and it is run on US technology. Um, but nevertheless, we’re just proceeding a pace. If we’re going to have a policy that is actually promoting kind of uh US interests in the AI space and really US companies, that should be, you know, having a a technology separation to a degree from the Chinese and say, hey, the Chinese should run on their tech, we’re going to run on our tech.
