‘You Work 5 Hours a Day…Cook,’ Caleb Hammer Snaps At Spiritual Life Coach, 27, ‘With More Debt Than Anyone Should Ever Have’ But Still Dines Out

Coaching people toward alignment and fulfillment sounds aspirational. Doing it while carrying nearly maxed-out credit cards, a 593 credit score and thousands in high-interest debt creates a far less centered picture. 

That tension played out on YouTube in an episode of “Financial Audit” titled “27-Year-Old With More Debt Than Anyone Should Ever Have.” The show is hosted by Caleb Hammer, a personal finance commentator known for reviewing guests’ bank statements line by line and confronting spending decisions in real time.

The guest, Rachel, is a 27-year-old spiritual life coach based in Austin, Texas. She earns about $6,500 a month on average, roughly $80,000 a year before taxes. Despite that income, she carries $14,457 in credit card debt.

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Rachel also owes about $29,000 on a 2019 Toyota RAV4 at 7.5% interest with a $534 monthly payment. She has no meaningful emergency fund and no structured tax savings, even though she is self-employed. The issue, as Hammer repeatedly pointed out, is not income. It is discipline.

Restaurant Charges And Five-Hour Work Days

As Hammer scrolled through her transaction history, one restaurant name surfaced again and again. Honest Mary’s, an Austin-based fast-casual restaurant known for customizable grain and salad bowls, appeared repeatedly alongside coffee shops and other dining charges. The pattern was consistent enough that Hammer paused and asked her directly, “Why are you having all this fun when you have no money?”

Rachel explained that eating out saves time. Cooking, she said, takes hours she could instead dedicate to building her coaching business. Hammer pushed back immediately. “You work five hours a day. You can cook. Congratulations. You can cook,” he said. He continued, breaking down the day in simple terms: “There are 19 more hours. We can’t make a bowl of mac and cheese in 10 hours? Put chicken in the oven for 10 hours? I’m confused.”

The frustration was not about food. It was about priorities. Five hours of work does not eliminate the capacity to budget, meal prep or control spending. The dining charges became a symbol of a larger refusal to scale back.

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‘Should You Be Giving Advice To Other People?’

The deeper concern was not the occasional bowl from Honest Mary’s. It was the broader pattern of spending while carrying high-interest balances. One of her credit cards alone accumulated more than $1,100 in interest over the past year. Her credit utilization sits near 89%, contributing to her 593 credit score. At the same time, she continues investing in Robinhood and holding Bitcoin while revolving balances that outpace potential returns.

Hammer confronted the contradiction directly. “If you can’t even stop yourself from something as basic as spending, should you be giving advice to other people?” he asked. Later, after reviewing her resistance to cutting restaurant spending, he summarized the root issue bluntly. “You’re not willing to cut back is the problem.”

The tension in the episode did not stem from the size of the debt alone. It came from the gap between income and behavior.

The Plan He Told Her To Follow

Hammer did not stop at criticism. He laid out a step-by-step plan.

First, he told her to sell her investments, including her Robinhood holdings and Bitcoin, and use the proceeds to attack the credit cards immediately. His reasoning was straightforward. Carrying high-interest credit card balances while investing in volatile assets makes no mathematical sense.

Next, he mapped out an aggressive six-month payoff strategy using her average monthly income. After fixed expenses, he estimated she could direct roughly $2,500 per month toward debt if she eliminated dining out, discretionary spending and lifestyle inflation. His directive was clear. No restaurants. No new clothes. Strict grocery budget. Everything else goes to the cards.

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After eliminating the credit cards, he said she needed to build a $10,000 emergency fund to prevent future slow months from pushing her back into debt. Then came the hardest recommendation. He advised selling the car, buying a cheaper used vehicle with cash and resetting her financial baseline. He framed it as math, not emotion.

The plan was not subtle. It required sacrifice.

Where A Financial Advisor Comes In

The episode works because the math is simple and the psychology is not. Rachel earns real money. She has a visible path out of debt. What she does not have is structure. No tax reserve. No emergency fund. No enforced spending boundaries. And until that framework exists, investing in crypto while revolving high-interest credit cards is less strategy and more contradiction.