00:00 Speaker A
political report that Trump, Dan, signed an executive order, an EO, addressing the cyber security threats of AI, asked some AI companies to submit their powerful new models to a voluntary government review 30 days before releasing them to the public. What do you make of that?
00:15 Speaker B
It’s interesting, this is less time uh than was initially proposed. Uh Apparently, that’s why uh President Trump didn’t sign on to this executive order, uh was it two weeks ago or so? Uh it was supposed to be or maybe last week, he was supposed to come out and sign it and then just a few hours beforehand, they kind of, you know, pulled the rip cord and said, no, we’re not we’re not going to do this right now. And I think according to the Times uh the Times report, uh David Sacks had been like, you know, kind of
00:46 Speaker B
lobbying for less of a review period uh so that, you know, the idea would be, okay, less time, uh more time for the US to be ahead as far as getting models out there or more time for companies to be ahead and have their models out there and, you know, see which wins and which doesn’t. Um, but it, you know, it is voluntary. It doesn’t necessarily mean that these companies have to submit to this if they don’t want to. But I think the only way to really kind of deal with this is
01:17 Speaker B
a form of regulation. And, you know, you will hear politicians talk till they are blue in the face about how, oh, we need to regulate security. Didn’t happen. We need to regulate uh social media. didn’t happen. We need to regulate AI. probably not going to happen if I had to guess. So, you know, I mean, this seems to be the only way that companies will, you know, be able to be held accountable for the capabilities that they have. And look, this isn’t like, you know,
01:50 Speaker B
Lincoln logs or something, right? This is stuff that’s being used actively in war zones. This is stuff that, you know, with Claude Mythos, you know, Anthropic said, we’re not going to put it out right away because it could pose too much of a danger when it comes to cyber security. And this isn’t just like, oh, some dude hacked my Gmail and now I keep getting spammed for, I don’t know, like Wendy’s coupons or something. I don’t know. Or whoever the dude is in China that keeps trying to get into my Microsoft account. I have two-factor authentication. I see it all the time.
02:24 Speaker B
Uh but I I think one of the things is this is stuff that can then be used to hack into major infrastructure, right? We’re talking about water facilities, power plants, things along those lines. Uh and, you know, we we’ve seen hacks take down things like uh uh uh metro systems or or or uh ferry systems uh when there were uh outages uh for uh uh different issues with the web. And so, these are serious issues and, you know, like I said, you’ll hear politicians talk to their blue in the face about regulation.
02:54 Speaker A
How much just quickly, how much do you think though this EO, this executive order could have been about China? Me and the US government was saying, you know what, we just, we we don’t want to really slow down the home team. We don’t want to really slow down American AI companies, not when we have this global competition and showdown with Beijing.
03:15 Speaker B
I think that’s exactly why the timing shrunk. Right? I mean, that’s why else would it? I mean, it’s it’s not as though, you know, you can use less time to do more when it comes to evaluating these models. And, you know, I mean, obviously, these companies have a reputation to uphold. They don’t want to put out a model that’s going to have dire consequences for anyone or, you know, a lot of the stuff that always comes up is, will it be used for, you know, creating biological weapons, things along those lines. You know, no,
03:48 Speaker B
Google doesn’t want to do that, right? That’s that’s not their bag. But I think the the idea here is that you look at it for uh potential uh flaws, you look at it for issues when it comes to, you know, what does this mean for certain uh jobs. Uh, you know, I mean, we we talk about that constantly and there’s this constant uh debate over whether it is going to uh uh cause people jobs, whether it’s not going to uh cause people jobs. This is all part of the the same kind of conversation.
04:19 Speaker B
I just, you know, I think that it’s these companies will submit. They they don’t want to have a black eye like that uh that they wouldn’t submit and obviously, you know, when it comes to the Trump administration, obviously they want to be on good terms. But I I do think, you know, the the executive order is is a good move. It’s better than nothing. Uh but like I said, I think regulation is really where a lot of people will say they want to go, but it just won’t happen.
04:49 Speaker A
Don’t hold your breath. All right, Dan Allie, thank you, buddy. Appreciate it.
